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Genevieve’s Dream::

The following is an experiment in multiple interpretations of a single dream.

To read my interpretation of Genevieve's Dream go to:

You'll find her dream and my interpretation about a third of the way down this document.

Here are some other interpretations sent in by others (posted in the order they arrived, first to last):

This is fun! Okay, here goes:

I don't know Genevieve at all, so it's hard to interpret it from personal perspective. That does leave other layers to explore, though. If we look at it as a dream about fullfilling a desire for something sweet and creamy, something comforting, refreshing, and a little bit naughty, it could be that the dream is like a journey to getting to a delightful yummy. I know "naughty" has connotations, but they may or may not be relevant for Genevieve. In case they are, Jung would probably say it makes some sense that a smiling, young animus figure like "Matt" would show her the way to "Nederland" for a milkshake of the kind you get in the nether-regions of the self. In the land of shadows or the unconsious. It seems there is a daunting transit in the journey to the yummy, though.

Genevieve must first pass thorough a military training area where women are naked and seeming powerless as they are tortured and executed by men. This place stands between Geneieve and her yummy, and her land of "Golden" or Nederland.

This part of the dream could be commenting on inner, outer or both kinds of experience. It could be that a waking-life dynamic of dominance and submission between men and women has to be explored and interacted with before she can get to her treat. It could be that an internal system of masculine thoughts and beliefs holds Genevieve's feminine in a bloody thrall when she attempts to gain access to the sweet creamy stuff. Perhaps she must really face her own willingness to submit, really walk away from the slab. Ie: stand above or outside of criticism, logic, reason, black and white thinking, in order to persue treasured dreams/experiences of joy.

After doing just that, Genevieve experiences the living quarters of the tormenters. Quite dull: bed, tv, but also, a window to "where I wanted to go". Hmmm.. AND there, on the windowsill, evidence that the military men have access to sweet creamy treats. Sweet creamy and PINK. This is a feminine treat, I think. Milky and Pink.

Genevieve leaves the military area and has found a way to cover herself back up, after the encounter with the soldier, but she finds she has left behind her wallet, phone and bike. Transportation, communication, resources are all lost. To her credit, Genevieve doesn't worry too much.

At last, she reaches the "food area". This is the place! But all she gets is whipped cream and a "tab key". Whipped cream is but a weak version of what she's looking for. It's sweet, it's creamy, but it doesn't have much substance. The tab key, which, if one considers how it is used on a computer- to advance the cursor quickly from one field to another, seems like a symbol for being shunted. It's an excuse for not explaining why this "milkshake" is not a milkshake at all. And to make up for that, it can be used to get something else, but not quite what the person wants. At the end, she ends up with pepsi. all of the individual specifications of her request have been replaced by unsatisyfing options.

So, then, it's back to work, but without getting what she wanted and now having lost what little she had taken with her.

On second glance, this dream might be about a relationship with a boy, whose mother is silently in the picture. A boy with whom a relationship could have yielded something sweet and satisfying, just what Genevieve was looking for. But when she asked him how to get it, she found he had an obstacle course in place. A military school that does terrible things to women and a cafeteria (often food places and kitchens in dreams have to do with a person's ability to give and recieve love and affection) that dispenses dissapointing versions of what you ask for and gives you few and tricky choices that lead to unsatisifying outcomes. Falling in love with someone in this situation could totally leave you feeling loss of resources, lines of communication and the ability to move swiftly.

GENEVIEVE'S DREAM INTERPRETATION – “What an Alarm” – A Search for Self

PC Kennedy

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This is what I thought after considering the dream of Genevieve.

Even without looking at Genevieve's photograph or reading her youthful slang, G. seems young. To me, her dream shows her searching for the ultimate of the feminine… a Milkshake in a place of wonder and wealth (Golden) and danger, outside her reality, foreign (Nederland – never-land, reclaimed land, Netherlands). She is heading either south or west... south towards her childhood or west, towards maturity. Milk is the product of the feminine, the divine nectar that sustains life, but it is also the food for children. We have to wonder, can she still sustain herself on mixed-up milk, is that the best sustenance for her? There are a lot of symbols within this dream.

My opinion is that this dream represents a search for her new sense of self as she steps out of her role as a maiden and moves on to the next stage of life. The dream gives G. a journey in which to explore possibilities – it is a school of experiences. She may even be considering more schooling. She is seeking a change that will provide sweet nutrition. She is on her own despite the many men in her life… riding her bike is the work of an individual. She should stay away from the military or authority, because all she will receive from them is fermented and old, even if it is the right color, ie. a feminine role. She is resigning herself to stay at work and receive the commonplace, but it is clear she truly wants more. I hope that she can find it.

There are three scenes:

First: THE SEARCH FOR WHAT SHE WANTS - NOURISHMENT – Setting the scene: G. is working but it is time for lunch and she chooses to leave in search of a “Milk” shake, a symbol of the feminine… but all mixed-up. She’s in a glorified world but heading towards wonder & danger (Golden/Nederland). She’s riding her bike, on her own, trying to get someplace but can’t find the right path and spends time going in opposite directions.

Second: SCHOOL OF SECRETS & TORTURE When G. enters a school looking for her sustenance; she meets a young man in secret – Matthew (Implies a Christian connection, as the gospel of Matthew is the first and most complete “revelation” of Jesus as a the Messiah.) Note that an older female, a mother (!) knows but does not comment – this could be the Madonna but is more likely the Goddess who watches but cannot change fate. G. sees for herself that there is secrecy and danger from the Military School. While still searching for her sustenance she runs into a lot of confusion, what time is it, where is she? There is a disconnect in time and space for her. Matt, as the symbol of Christian influence, shows her a dangerous but necessary way to get to her “Milk” via men torturing women. She realizes she and all other women are naked and in some cases hurt, even bloody. She is in danger of being attacked. She directly refuses this torture & death. (Has she recently had a pregnancy scare?) She talks her way out of the danger, finds a new set of clothing and seeks her own refuge alone in the older man’s room (Is he really an Officer & a Gentleman?) but decides to leave. It is only then that she receives but does not eat the discarded and old fermented “Milk” in little girl pink.

Third: REFUGE, SETTLING FOR THE COMMONPLACE On her own, G. finds refuge in the trees where there is a fence (boundary) that she crosses and finds safety. Again she meets a man, a gardener who tends the earth, but this time he ignores her. Has she lost her femininity? She reaches her destination within a school again, but she has no identity, money, transportation or communication. Somehow, she is finally able to eke out a request for what she desires, but instead she receives only fancy froth and a key for a TAB KEY MACHINE (see anagram below). The key works but cannot provide the MILK-shake she wants. She is offered either meat (a solid form of food from animals) or soda (an unnatural, modern drink). She settles for what is offered, chooses the liquid vs the solid (Is this a reference to spirit vs the world?) but even then, she cannot get her choice. The pink, feminine soda is out of reach so she settles for the commonplace, a Pepsi… and heads back to work. (huge sigh)

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TAB KEY MACHINE Anagram: Y BAK T MENA CHE

Y (why) BAK(back) T(to) MENA-CHE (menarche -- missing only the R/ are/ the verb "to be")

-- Menarche is the first menstrual bleeding. Noteworthy that she dreams of women bleeding and on waking from this dream, Genevieve bleeds.

The milkshake is the siren's call to the Initiation.

Genevieve takes a Hero's Journey toward individuating ("going all the way" to Golden, the harmonising of the yin and the yang) but is caught offguard by the weightedness of her psyche into the yang (male) element (getting lost, flipping bitches, in addition to the images of work (she's hungry there, though) and the physicality of a bicycle as transportation. Marion Woodman says that dairy products symbolize fulfillment for the feminine. Blood in a woman's dream signifies vulnerability of the Feminine, which oddly enough is also the strength of the Feminine.

She has to wage a war with her psyche to pay for the delightful "visit" to the strange boy's dorm (that's because she's been weighted in the Yang, and hasn't "visited" that boy for a long time). Jung called this an incubated animus. The disease of modern women.

The most striking image was that of her being invited to lie on the slab and be killed. Just like Isaac. The success of her journey was in her refusal, not the refusal to die, but the refusal to become a Patriarch. Further evidence was in her waking to blood.

End.

It's so tragic for women if and when men don't realize that a woman's weakness and her strength exist within the same root, and that she shouldn't be encouraged to become stronger, she should be congratulated for becoming weaker. In a wierd way.

Something about that "root" she mentioned, when she meant, "route."

signed

Judy. A grandmother, but never a crone. I hate that word, Marion Woodman nothwithstanding.

PS. I love Rob Brezny's horoscopes, he's the best.

hi jonathan,
 
my interpretation is short and sweet. to me, it indicates a fear of
going after what she really wants. perhaps she is afraid of what she
might discover along the way or she fears that it may be too difficult
to achieve her goal. to me, it also says that she may be setting
herself up for failure/difficulty and may be making things more
difficult than they need to be, setting up obstacles before she even
gets started. there's a fear of being vulnerable and of being taken
advantage of.
 
cheers,
lisa
 
p.s. i love the zap oracle! it's brilliant!

HOWEVER TRIVIAL IT MAY AT FIRST SOUND, THE MEANING OF GENEVIEVE'S DREAM IS CLEAR:

SHE IS ALIVE AND LOOKING TO VALIDATE THAT LIFE. TERMS LIKE "LOOKING" AND "SEARCHING" AND "QUEST" ARE WHAT OFTEN INFANTIZE very mature CONTENT BECAUSE THEY ARE REPEATED IN VIRTUALLY EVERY IMAGINABLE MYTH AND CAN EASILY BE ATTRIBUTED TO ANY IMAGINABLE DREAM. CONSIDER HER ACTIONS THROUGHOUT THE VISION- LEAVING WORK, BIKING ACROSS FAMILIAR TOWNS, CRAWLING THROUGH WINDOWS, GOING THROUGH FENCES. SHE CAN CHOOSE TO DIE BUT OPTS NOT, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE HER LIFE ITSELF IS NOT OVER. THAT'S IT, THAT'S ALL. THE DETAILS ARE TRIVIAL AND THEY SHOULD BE TAKEN ONLY AT FACE VALUE. PEPSI IS PEPSI, NOTHING IS REPRESSED.

how is that?

Paul

Hello Jonathan, Having read her dream once only, I will refer to what stood out for me if it were my dream. Going back and forth between what is Golden "truth" and what I hold onto possessively like a Boulder. What is my truth, and what is my boulder? Look at all those feminine parts of myself that have felt abused and are ready to transform (die, and be re-born in the dream). I would like to fully transform those women and bring them back positive, strong, and still naked, with nothing to hide from other parts of myself. Who are these women? What do they mean to me/represent about myself, and why am I finally trying to change them, let them go? Could those military parts of myself be useful archetypes to help me go through the painful growth process that I am resisting? Does it feel like torture every time I want to change my femininity? It is easy to demonize the military torturers if I think of them as waking world warriors, but in the dream world appearances of good and evil can be deceivingly opposite. If I let go of negitive feminine energies and bring them back positive, the torturers might actually be my allies- but only if they can work with me and help me when I ask them to- transform without the torture, and build a fire to change dead dream bodies- to ashes- to new bodies of these female parts of myself. My masculine energies as soldiers could make love with the women when they come back positively healthy. Then I am integrating my masc. and fem. energies. Yogurt spilling in the grass is like an orgasm. Something they can all do when they get together in my re-dreaming process. Whether going to Golden from Boulder or Boulder from Golden... Both are possibilities. I could/can do either. What do I choose? I am the dreamer, and the only one who can decide finally, what my dream means for me. Genevieve, you are the only one who knows what your dream means. I hope my sharing helps in some way, but if it doesn't, just disregard all that I have written. That's all I have right now, Jonathan.

lets see, genevieve's dream seems like a version of the fools journey
through life, overall.

to me the dream seems to open in a very "dreamy" innocent, cartoon
(?), childlike way signifying the beginning of her journey very much
like the state of mind the fool is in as he begins his own. she leaves
work on a whim to get a milkshake, very whimsical and innocent; and
this setting of boulder as being very small and compact with trees all
around: it sounds like its own idealic setting as if we;re panning in
on a cartoon land or something. she can;t find what she's looking for
in boulder but knows she needs to journey to the next town to get it:
even though realistically speaking, there are likely tens of places in
boulder to get a milkshake. much like the fool who has everything he
needs in himself, but who needs to go on the journey of life to
discover it all.

throughout her trip to find her shake she is educated by life and the
journey itself. she immediately finds a friend and a help to her on
her path: this guy matt who she says she randomly visited, but who was
necessary immediately to find the next part of her road with his
directions.

with suuport at her side, she's ready to face a harder harsher lesson
or aspect of life she wasn;'t aware of before as she sees the military
training ground and protests. finding herself shirtless at one point
without actually taking her shirt off herself maybe speaks to her
feelings of vulnerability in the face of this greusome even bloody
reality of the treatment of women and the brutality of what she;s
seeing. here she meets the officier who becomes sort of the enemy, as
matt is the friend, of this journey, challenging her with her own
execution. he proposes violence against her and at first she
innocently steps into the realm of danger like a child might step into
traffic not realizing the consequences. but then, she steps up to the
challenge, asking him what exactly she's getting into with this
execution. as she realizes what it all means, she;s able to say no,
step away and choose to live and be safe. after successfully
navigating this scenario, she's able to put more clothes on that were
left outside, effectively able protect herself again.

I love this next part of revelling comfortablly in the enemy;s home
turf (his room and bed) after effectively dealing with the officer and
possibility of execution: a true testament to the power she;s gained
from living through the experience with him and her found personal
power after navigating the training ground successfully. she can hang
out here as long as she wants and did after she conquered that fear
and so many images of brutality against women. as she leaves she is
exactly where she wants to be and confident about where she;s going.

she now doesn't have any of the conviences she came with: her bike,
phone and wallet. after the last obsatcle course and new found
confidence, she is ready for a new challenge to expand her awarenss in
this journey. she is concerned about being without these things, but
everything works out perfectly: she;s right next to her work and
dosn;t need the phone or bike to get back.

i love how the dream ends as she finally orders her shake. she dosen't
get exactly what she wants, but gets much more than she ordered with
the steak and soda which is miuch more substantial than the shake she
originally wanted. and that's sort of the whole dream in a nut shell
as well: she gets alot more than she knew she was asking for in the
first place when she went out for the shake.

what do you think?
I'll also forward the page to my buddies.

Genevieve's dream:

The term " shake" in the dream refers I think to both shake in the sense of "what is left over" as in roofing shake where the torn off parts filter out

of the main shingles and are thrown away - it is about the thrown out parts of the self and society-tortured people, bloody and shaking people, people

being executed, also soldiers are thrown away too,the military is also about throwing away men

and I think that shake also refers to wanting to be shaken up, have the contents of her unconscious shaken up- she goes for a shake, to be shaken,

she sees things that she has been vaguely aware of and acknowledges "this is what they don't tell you. She asks how to "get to the city behind

Boulder"-i.e. wants to see what is behind the facade.

The dream starts out with a feeling of internal compression, reflected by the area that is "smooshed."- I would liken this to feeling trapped, closed in,

claustrophobic.

It starts out with her own blood (bloody nose) and then ties into other's blood - shaking bloody people; the pink yogurt also signifies bodily

excretions, blood. They pool their close on the floor, there are also pools in the room - "sea of humanity" but this particular pool is one of violated

sexuality, but the degradation has an everyday feel to it, no big deal to be executed-"sure," because it is so routine, so common-place, this refers to

the everyday reality of the ongoing degradation. The execution is like a ritual sacrifice, on a stone slab: sacrificing the knowledge of this reality in order

to - "get home, recover my stuff," keep going until she can get somewhere safe. I think that she is looking for a safe place to call home, but is still

looking, feeling stuck. There is also sacrifice involved in what is offered for nourishment - it says cherry soda, but she has to settle for Pepsi, you

have to take what you can get from the machine, you don't really have a choice, but there is a kind of pretense that you do. She is offered a slab of

meat and earlier she is offered to be offered as a slab of meat, to be executed.

Throughout most of the dream she is an observor, the only person she "meets" is Matt, but it is a "random" meeting, so there is a sense of G. being

an outsider traveling through other's experiences

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